Members Chip Elliot and Mike McAdams are updating their “Philmont Millennium 1” (http://www.philmontm1.com/), THE guide to Philmont patches, neckerchiefs, and slides. They are trying to verify some of the listings. If you have any information on either of these two patches they would be happy to here from you.
The undated patch was attributed to the staff of the late 1950s or early 1960s ; the other is unknown. They’re looking for some type of confirmation of who produced these patches.